Fasiken det bröt vågor hemma i Jonstorp, eller var det nu var...

www.timojulku.se/surf070114/

Nästa gång lovar jag å svänga förbi på en kopp java
/Pelle

den koppen e grym, det vet du

Sit back, relax and entertain yourselves.

Dear surf photo dude,
Get your surf porn off of the internet. Learn to surf, stop being a kook and keep a good thing a good thing. You are a shameless disgrace to the surfing world! Posting pictures so quickly! To benefit who? What a fucking joke.

Your Kook Logic (according to me, just a kook who likes to surf in peace) =
1) Get excited -like us all- about forthcoming waves.
2) Call 3 best friends to let them know where and when you are going - like some
3) Make sure camera/ camera man or chicky is in tow - like a few
4) Paddle out at "the spot" and get your waves and pictures of you in your finest hour...ever
5) Brag about your session to everyone you know. (boring your girlfriend/ wife/ mom/ dad/ cat in the process)
6) Ogle at your "artistic achievement" as you prepare to post them for your admirers around the world to see....
7) "SHARE" your pictures with Sweden, Scandinavia and the world at large!
8) Pat yourself on the back for contributing to surf culture in Sweden and beyond... you are the Swedish Leroy Grannis, Ron Stoner and Larry "Flame" Moore all wrapped up into one divine athlete and ...oh... artist. You surf like Larry Holmes fucked, you are an empire in and of yourself, within the northern empire of surfing, sweden, where many waves break on many hundreds of days a year, unridden, peeling along empty points and shores..... Yes, you have captured it and shared it...you are a genius!
(okay, I maybe went a little too far)
9) Feel guilty for having given more people, more clues as to the very rare waves that are surfed in Sweden. You feel bad about hinting at locations or showing background that gives away locations.....No you don't - kook!
10) The next time you paddle out you get "shacked" and "rip it up" with 5 more people who weren't there the last time and wonder why it's getting more crowded.
11) Self-Realization... you say to yourself, "I am a kook for not just being a surfer, being a human and living my life as an intelligent being. Why did I contribute to the media mania in Swedish Surfing by supplying yet more "money shots" for all of the surf horny surfers in Scandinavia.
12) Transworld Surfing wants to publish your pictures and they offer you a little cash
13) You were a sell out the day you woke up to surf this weekend. You sell them your pictures and live like nothing bad ever happened, you are a recognized artiste now.

Dude, whoever you are - all of you - a mountain (whether in Sweden, France or Chile) can handle thousands of snowboarders - it can be groomed, have snow added to it and is wide open for exploration. A halfpipe can be lit up at night, covered by a roof and skated by many, many, many...... But these surf spots are extremely few, very fickle and surfed by many. If you contribute to publicizing the good spots in Sweden, I am sorry to say to you, because you may be a really nice guy or girl..."YOU ARE A KOOK". Translate that into any language and the world of surfing would agree. Defending yourself is futile. Publicizing spots is the realm of the kook who cannot paddle or surf well enough to be called an athlete. Actually, anyone who can't keep their mouth shut about something as great as a decent surf spot in a wave starved part of the world is an idiot. Do not make up for your sub par skills by destroying the peace that a group of Swedes, Danes and a sizeable foreign contingent have been enjoying for the past years. Learn to respect those who came before you and learn to respect the spots you surf. Ultimately, learn to respect surfing, the sport.

I won't hurt you, none of us will. But you will be viewed as a total kook every time we see you and your kind standing upon the shore with your expensive digi cameras. And if you get dropped in on by me after I see you...well, fuck off, you deserve to be dropped in, wherever in the world we should cross paths for as long as you live - kook

One Love (to all of those who surf for the surf)

wooohhaaa that was a mouthful...

you have been smoking that pipe too much!
last time i ever post.

pease out

T

Save Mølle, Save everywhere!

-DU ÄR EN IDIOT

Idiot, okay, I can handle that...anything actually. But compare me (idiot) with them (the idiotic exposers). One group gets you stoked to surf. (with pictures) The other (me, idiot) gets you bent because i am trying to steal your candy (the pictures). I'm not stealijng anyones candy. Did you paddle out during your last "swell" in Goteborg, Stockholm, "G-Bay" or Tokyo? If you did, then you got your candy.

Got it? Good
Love, me -Idiot

P.S. - If I had anything left to smoke in my pipe, I would have smoked it all after those smokin sessions!

Personally I like the dude's attitude.

Jo jag håller nog också med, det är lite väl många gubbar med stora feta "penis" objektiv på stränderna nuförtiden.
Trist att så många fotografer verkar skita rätt rejält i att exponera surfställen som verkligen inte pallar för mer exponering.
Men varför bry sig när man själv mer eller mindre aldrig sitter i lineup?

Och vem får ta smällen att tillrättavisa alla nybörjare som faktist inte hör hemma på såna svårsurfade ställen. Återigen knappast dom som bara står och fotar på stranden..
Om ni fortsätter pusha ställen som dessa till nybörjare kommer till slut all typ av avancerad surfing att omöjliggöras pga alla människor som ligger i vägen och orsakar massvis med kollisioner osv osv.

Om ni är nöjda med det så fortsätt för all del att fnaska ut alla surfställen ni kommer över.

Jag tror personligen ni lockar mer folk till Skäret genom att skapa denna mystik runt spotten.

Jag kommer aldrig att sluta fotografera på Skäret eftersom det driver mig. Alla mina bilder kommer att distruberas till de som vill se dem, en liten del av er har hört av sig och fått bilder och jag är tacksam för att ni uppskattar dem. Till er andra har jag inget mer att säga än att jag tycker det är sorgligt att ni inte uppskattar att ett forum som är öppet.

På återseende nästa storm.

För er som vill se bilder går det bra att höra av sig nu och i framtiden.

Timo

Hade det inte varit for danskarna, hade nastan alla skane spots vart tomda.
Det ar mitt fel att danskarna ar dar.

Irish Steve from Jönköping drop me an email on timojulku@hotmail.com - I got a bounce on the email you gave me.

THX

Timo

Gazzer skrev:
Personally I like the dude's attitude.

me too, dont see the point in exploiting the surf scene here any more.

Save Mølle, Save everywhere! skrev:

I won't hurt you, none of us will. But you will be viewed as a total kook every time we see you and your kind standing upon the shore with your expensive digi cameras. And if you get dropped in on by me after I see you...well, fuck off, you deserve to be dropped in, wherever in the world we should cross paths for as long as you live - kook


Du Save everywhere:
Det är rätt patetiskt att gå in anonymt och trampa ner entusiastiska kompisar. Om du inte törs tala om vad du heter tycker jag att hela ditt inlägg faller platt.

Det går inte att hålla ert lilla paradis hemligt genom att låsas att ingen känner till dessa surfställen.
Det är svårt att surfa. Det är ett helvete att lära sig surfa om man bara gör det i Sverige. Om ni inte klarar att hitta egna nya ställen, alternativt surfa runt nybörjarna, så kanske du skall göra nåt åt det själv och inte surt hoppa på andra. Det är ditt problem!

Det går inte att hemlighålla naturen. Ingen har monopol på den. Utvecklingen rättar till sig själv när folk blir duktigare och inser sina begränsningar.

Att du skriver på engelska antar jag beror på att du kommer från nåt annat ställe. Den här lokalismen som du ger uttryck för kan ju användas på annat sätt. Då blir det plötsligt unken främlingsfientlighet.

Typ: Surfställen åt surfare. Landsbygden åt bönder. Eller ännu värre: Sverige åt svenskarna.

Jag är för integrering och samexistens. Skärp dig och kliv fram och stå för din attityd fegis!

Tagga ner och samsas.

Ola

Ok jag säger som Ants då Fuck peace! Nu återstår bara att bygga sig en kevlarbräda med snöplog framtill,
ok noll ordning i lineup alla surfar ovanpå och genom varandra...

Kan ju dessutom bli ännu bättre för alla sensationskåta fotografer. Tänk er bilderna, kluvna brädor och bandagerade ömma skallar.

Länge leve den nya sporten kroppssurfing, kan ju införa nåt slags poängsystem som i rugby också så blir det ännu bättre.

Och hördudu Olmar! Nästa gång jag kommer och surfar så gör jag det iklädd en pickelhuva! Ballt värre!

ErikG du behöver ingen pickelhuva! Jag knör inte.
Jag säger inte att man skall skita i normala regler och etikett vid brytet. Jag tycker bara att det är en otrevlig ton. Tala om för pojkarna att det är osmart att flasha för mycket kan man göra på många sätt.

Guys, put it this way. No one is saying to anyone else that they can't surf there. They are expressing irritation at posting information that is not readily shared. If you had a parking spot in town where you could always park for free, and you told a friend you wouldn't be too pleased if he posted a map of it on the internet would you?

If you plocka Kantereller and have a favorite spot, would you mention it on the internet?

Also, some spots are not suitable for beginners as they can make it dangerous for themselves and others, which is why you need a license to drive, a greencard to play golf and why they label ski resort pistes in varying degrees of difficulty.

Ok, I believe in allemänsrätten, but I also believe in respecting the secrecy of a spot and it's conditions if the local crew wants it that way. It's like that everywhere else in the world.

Right on Hajpojken! Well put.
Peace

perkele.. jag har mejlat steve med ditt mess. Han ar fran cork..

Andiss
Tekk tekk, kände mig lite dum då han frågade efter bilderna...

T

Hallå era hagalna idioter, ska bara ha o ha och aldrig ge.

Mer surf åt folket

Här är spotten :

www.hitta.se/SearchCombi.aspx?SearchType=4&UCSB%3aWflWhite=1a1b&UCSB%3aWflPink=4a&UCSB%3aTextBoxWho=&UCSB%3aTextBoxWhere=jonstorp

Motherfuckers

Skäret letar ni efter, efter hamnen.

Hello again and for the last time.

The internet allows opportunities to express and exchange ideas, information and other dogmatic crap (like that of Al Qaeda or my own for that matter) like never before.

The freedom of speech that this forum and site allows us is terrific. What would happen if the site were to become heavily filtered so as to allow only the worldview of it's creators? The Editors of Surfsverige must be faced with difficult decisions as to whether or not to control the content of their members and guests. It comes down to Ethics. And because of culturally varying sets that are competing, that presents a tricky scenario.

I want to begin by referring readers to a film entitled "The Far Shore". If you haven't seen it, pick it up. It's dope. Kevin Naughton and Craig Peterson were two guys from California in the early 70s who spent something like 8 years on the road, supporting themselves, among other means, by photographing and writing articles for Surfer Magazine. The film by Greg Schell, uses a collage of their original 8mm, still photos and interviews from the present day to put into perspective the history of the times, their own story and the growth of surfing from rugged adventurer days to the beginning of the age of the "surf camp". The film embodies the spirit of adventure within the surf world that was at the time burgeoning. Personally, I find that same sense of adventure present in Sweden and Scandinavia as a whole today. I appreciate it and hope to enjoy it without altering it so that others may enjoy the same journey in years to come. There's an American Indian expression about living like a cloud that passes over the land without altering that land. Of course, rain does fall and shape terrain, but you get the picture.

In "The Far Shore" the question of ethics arises. A pretty hardcore vanguard of guys camped out in Mexican/ Central American surf nirvanas weren't keen on having "their" spots exposed by Surfer Magazine. "They" were Americans, so it's questionable if the spots were "theirs" or those of future Mexican, Central American generations. (You can argue that they were neophyte colonizers and that a few of them are grumpy old bastards today blah balah balah) But whatever, small groups of individuals discovered - in the truest sense of the word DISCOVER- new spots and wanted to keep their wherabouts quiet. Naughton and Peterson were confronted with wanting to write about their travels, keep travelling and keep on the Surfer payroll or stopping their public Search that fueled the imaginations and dreams of everyone who picked up a copy of Surfer at the time. How could they share in an ethical way? By being conscious and considerate. They never named places, they kept evrything as undercover as they could. CONSCIOUS and CONSIDERATE! Surfer Magazine's editors received death threats nevertheless. Exposing spots in the surfing world is an ethical NO NO!

In this case, the Swedish view of "everyman's rights" is an ethic that is being challenged by a more universal ethic within the surfing world of keeping things quiet. Is one more right than the other? If one is to measure the success of keeping things quiet by the number of surf camps and backpackers hostels in even the remotest corners of the world, I'd have to say...not really. But go to Central America or the Philippines today and ask some local to take you to their secret spot. For cash, they might. But would they show you the way if you had your damn camera dangling arouund your neck, telling them that you were going to post pictures on the Net for everyone in Sweden to see? Would they put a map on the Internet?

"Keeping it Quiet" means slowing things down. It means allowing people to take the time to enjoy things at a slower pace. Who is to be the arbiter of what "right" is? Not me, but I will gladly be a participant in a conversation and share my views whether online, on the beach or in the water face to face. I for one am not going to sit still and be quiet anymore about people coming to the beach and sharing with their 500 closest friends on Surfsverige, Riders or wherever. We need to save Mølle, but we also need to encourage a more sustainable growth of surfing around here so that the same stoke that we had yesterday can be had tomorrow without the presence of a few new guys each swell.

The surf media at the time of the Naughton/Peterson heyday was infinitely smaller and slower working than it is today. It was also less democratic. Surfsverige is the antithesis of the surf media at that time in surfing history. Surfsverige, like many other local sites around the world is the epitome of a highly democratic, user steered media outlet/ business. Yet the same ethical questions remain regarding exploitation. This past year Time magazine gave its Person of the Year award to "YOU". (its readers and people in general) Why? You Tube, My Space... our abilty to shape the world or perhaps our lives in some way by the internet tool. I am making my stand for ethics in this regard.

I am saying to Per, Timo (the one ultimately responsible), the girl with the video camera with the guy with the Varberg sticker on the back of his car, the Nord guys (who are going to go back to Stockholm and show all their buddies their pics) and everyone else that comes to surf where we surf -and hopefully everywhere else in Sweden - that in my opinion your proliferating images of good surf is not beneficial to anyone who surfs in Sweden in the near or long term. (Beneficial meaning that it doesn't help an often crowded situation become less crowded.) Recognize the power of the internet and like Stan Lee's creation Peter Parker AKA - Spiderman had to learn, remember that "with great power comes great responsability"

Don't be a globally recognized surf kook and hide behind the Swedish "everyman's rights' crap to distract people from or attempt to distort the obvious: We all want to surf in Peace with as few others in the water as possible.

-Me (Idiot)

See you there next time.

OK! "Apology" accepted.

There may definitely be some truths to what you were expressing but always remember my friend: "Be nice to people on your way up. Because you are going to meet them again - on your way down".

So try and ease down on that intimidating Johnny-Boy Gomez, bad ass attitude you displayed in your original post. Goes for some of you other guys as well.

Save Mølle, Save everywhere! skrev:
Hello again and for the last time.

The internet allows opportunities to express and exchange ideas, information and other dogmatic crap (like that of Al Qaeda or my own for that matter) like never before.

The freedom of speech that this forum and site allows us is terrific. What would happen if the site were to become heavily filtered so as to allow only the worldview of it's creators? The Editors of Surfsverige must be faced with difficult decisions as to whether or not to control the content of their members and guests. It comes down to Ethics. And because of culturally varying sets that are competing, that presents a tricky scenario.

I want to begin by referring readers to a film entitled "The Far Shore". If you haven't seen it, pick it up. It's dope. Kevin Naughton and Craig Peterson were two guys from California in the early 70s who spent something like 8 years on the road, supporting themselves, among other means, by photographing and writing articles for Surfer Magazine. The film by Greg Schell, uses a collage of their original 8mm, still photos and interviews from the present day to put into perspective the history of the times, their own story and the growth of surfing from rugged adventurer days to the beginning of the age of the "surf camp". The film embodies the spirit of adventure within the surf world that was at the time burgeoning. Personally, I find that same sense of adventure present in Sweden and Scandinavia as a whole today. I appreciate it and hope to enjoy it without altering it so that others may enjoy the same journey in years to come. There's an American Indian expression about living like a cloud that passes over the land without altering that land. Of course, rain does fall and shape terrain, but you get the picture.

In "The Far Shore" the question of ethics arises. A pretty hardcore vanguard of guys camped out in Mexican/ Central American surf nirvanas weren't keen on having "their" spots exposed by Surfer Magazine. "They" were Americans, so it's questionable if the spots were "theirs" or those of future Mexican, Central American generations. (You can argue that they were neophyte colonizers and that a few of them are grumpy old bastards today blah balah balah) But whatever, small groups of individuals discovered - in the truest sense of the word DISCOVER- new spots and wanted to keep their wherabouts quiet. Naughton and Peterson were confronted with wanting to write about their travels, keep travelling and keep on the Surfer payroll or stopping their public Search that fueled the imaginations and dreams of everyone who picked up a copy of Surfer at the time. How could they share in an ethical way? By being conscious and considerate. They never named places, they kept evrything as undercover as they could. CONSCIOUS and CONSIDERATE! Surfer Magazine's editors received death threats nevertheless. Exposing spots in the surfing world is an ethical NO NO!

In this case, the Swedish view of "everyman's rights" is an ethic that is being challenged by a more universal ethic within the surfing world of keeping things quiet. Is one more right than the other? If one is to measure the success of keeping things quiet by the number of surf camps and backpackers hostels in even the remotest corners of the world, I'd have to say...not really. But go to Central America or the Philippines today and ask some local to take you to their secret spot. For cash, they might. But would they show you the way if you had your damn camera dangling arouund your neck, telling them that you were going to post pictures on the Net for everyone in Sweden to see? Would they put a map on the Internet?

"Keeping it Quiet" means slowing things down. It means allowing people to take the time to enjoy things at a slower pace. Who is to be the arbiter of what "right" is? Not me, but I will gladly be a participant in a conversation and share my views whether online, on the beach or in the water face to face. I for one am not going to sit still and be quiet anymore about people coming to the beach and sharing with their 500 closest friends on Surfsverige, Riders or wherever. We need to save Mølle, but we also need to encourage a more sustainable growth of surfing around here so that the same stoke that we had yesterday can be had tomorrow without the presence of a few new guys each swell.

The surf media at the time of the Naughton/Peterson heyday was infinitely smaller and slower working than it is today. It was also less democratic. Surfsverige is the antithesis of the surf media at that time in surfing history. Surfsverige, like many other local sites around the world is the epitome of a highly democratic, user steered media outlet/ business. Yet the same ethical questions remain regarding exploitation. This past year Time magazine gave its Person of the Year award to "YOU". (its readers and people in general) Why? You Tube, My Space... our abilty to shape the world or perhaps our lives in some way by the internet tool. I am making my stand for ethics in this regard.

I am saying to Per, Timo (the one ultimately responsible), the girl with the video camera with the guy with the Varberg sticker on the back of his car, the Nord guys (who are going to go back to Stockholm and show all their buddies their pics) and everyone else that comes to surf where we surf -and hopefully everywhere else in Sweden - that in my opinion your proliferating images of good surf is not beneficial to anyone who surfs in Sweden in the near or long term. (Beneficial meaning that it doesn't help an often crowded situation become less crowded.) Recognize the power of the internet and like Stan Lee's creation Peter Parker AKA - Spiderman had to learn, remember that "with great power comes great responsability"

Don't be a globally recognized surf kook and hide behind the Swedish "everyman's rights' crap to distract people from or attempt to distort the obvious: We all want to surf in Peace with as few others in the water as possible.

-Me (Idiot)


OK! "Apology" accepted.

There may definitely be some truths to what you were expressing but always remember my friend: "Be nice to people on your way up. Because you are going to meet them again - on your way down".

So try and ease down on that intimidating Johnny-Boy Gomez, bad ass attitude you displayed in your original post. Goes for some of you other guys as well.

Ju fler som surfar i Jonstorp ju färre på andra ställen åk dit istället jävla fubbick!

Jag vill egentligen avsluta detta tramseri genom att be om ursäkt för att ha trampat på era tår.
Bilderna låg uppe max 2H och jag tog bort dem omedelbums efter save mölle... inlägget.

Jag tar era ord och indirekta hot på största allvar - men vägrar att sluta fotografera på skäret eller något annat ställe. Vill däremot tillägga att jag aldrig kommer att publicera mina bilder på detta forum eller något annat. De som vill kan kontakta mig för bilder.

Jag hoppas att ni kan godta min ursäkt och att ni låter mig och andra fotografer sitta på stranden nästa gång det bryter.

Vill även säga att jag har absolut ingen ekonomisk vinning i att ta bilder på er utan tycker enbart att det är roligt och inspirerande. Hoppas på ert förstående i detta och att jag kan gå fri från framtida påhopp på detta forum.

Väl bemött.

T

kom upp på våran världsdel..norrland ......och ta bilder på mig..jag vill ha flera..RAT:)

Det är första gången jag är in på surfsverige och börjar redan bli hyffsat less på wannabee surfare som skriver på engelska och leker hawaiianer. Jag har själv surfat i Sverige sedan 1992 och har besökt 90% av spotsen som ska vara secret spots. Har de senaste dagarna gjort en utförlig spot karta över de flesta svenska spotsen, gävle, skåne, gotland, norrland, allt finns med. Vägbeskrivningar, vindriktningar och tips, se den som en wannasurf för enbart Sverige om ni vill.

Läs och njut, sluta gnälla och surfa istället.

www.mlo-scandinavia.net/swe/html/frameset.htm

Bondi, you are a sick Lucifer worshipping motherfucker. Cursed you! Please do not send any voodoo shit my way! If I find chicken feathers and goat testicles under my car next time I surf out there, I promise to never come back...without my cross and holy water.

I'm writing in English because that's my first language and most of you guys read books, magazines and online content in English. I'm not Hawaiian and my name or who I am is irrelevant. I am simply encouraging a dialogue of ideas. Who I am puts a face on those ideas as if they belong uniquely to me. Its just a pasionately deliverd somewhat logical point of view skewed by the surfer mind.

If you are upset about the "dropping in" on the culprits aspect, please suggest what we ought to do when we see guys that exploit the spots, at the spots, in the process of preparing to exploit the spots. While surfing with them, should we give them waves and say, "hey brother, enjoy the wave! Keep it Low Profile, allright"? That's been the attitude since I've been around and the quantity and quality of exploitation on Danish and Swedish sites has grown since then as has the size of the surfing community. No, War is Not the Answer. Erik's humour served to illuminate that truth.

We will all have different approaches to dealing with increased prssure on limited resources. If history is there to teach us anything, vibing and dropping in are a part of the sport of surfing. Kindness and sharing will only last so long unless there is an ethic that steers us clear of violence and at the same time preserves the peacefulness of sessions without 25 -30 people in the water every time. "Aloha" is Hawaii's public face, but paddle our skinny white asses out at Velzyland or on the West Side of Oahu and we are going to have a hard time with some of the boys. But you don't need to travel that far. In Sardignia, guys from the north part of the island get pissed off and aggro when guys from the south part of the island come up. Okay, they're Sardignian. But other Mediterranean spots have the same sort of aggro shit going on. There, you have a surf starved region with some good spots - a warmer version of the Baltic.

I hope this forum leads to some consideration of responsability and ethics. I just saw that nord has a few shots up from the other day. I saw those guys on the beach on Sunday and just knew, knew, knew in the back of my mind that they were going to have photos up within a week. They were turbo! It took them a few days. That's the reality, people don't always respond to kindness. They scored, they drove home and then they exploited.
That behaviour is precisely what this conversation is about. It isn't about you or me or even them, its about an attitude towards sharing that is a little deeper than sharing photos on the internet.

I am no Johnny Boy-Gomes wannabee. Hell no! Just want to surf in peace with the usual crew and trade waves with respectful guys that make the trip up or down from wherever they're from.

Mer sprit och satanism åt folket, hahaha.